Thanks everybody got it sorted dont ask how ! plugged away with uppercase lower case router password
talktalk password and eventualy on it came now XP laptop is a different story it doesnt realy matter as I
upgraded to Winows 7 which is great but I did read that the latest routers are not good with "outdated"
systems such as XP there is no permanent internet connection it goes in and out (more out) The router
is HUAWEI HG633. anyway thanks again !